tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-392427526916288536.post8899867268379770396..comments2024-03-25T00:18:14.319-07:00Comments on Against The Wicked City: B/X class: the RakeJoseph Manolahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05387275537008858939noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-392427526916288536.post-6065575089394596172018-09-07T09:52:57.267-07:002018-09-07T09:52:57.267-07:00The Wheel of Time d20 game had a Noble pc class th...The Wheel of Time d20 game had a Noble pc class that got social abilities and favors they could call in. There was also a Gleeman prestige class that could do things like turn a crowd against a specific person, and always stay at inns for free. Nerdsamwichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08002567496899633391noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-392427526916288536.post-25488929651492248652018-05-21T22:35:51.569-07:002018-05-21T22:35:51.569-07:00Would love to see your Plotbender! Have you got a ...Would love to see your Plotbender! Have you got a link? I just run bards as Thieves that have taken a musical instrument as their speciality. Or, indeed, a Goliard. Blessed creatures they are, one and all.Spwackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07247063374457045751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-392427526916288536.post-21443285314670563372018-05-20T07:49:12.977-07:002018-05-20T07:49:12.977-07:00IIRC 3.0 introduced a noble (?) class for NPCs. An...IIRC 3.0 introduced a noble (?) class for NPCs. And I do remember having a book released by Green Ronin that expanded the idea into a PC class. Atlas had its own (Dynasties and Demagogues) that covered politics, diplomacy and nobility.Derek Hollandnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-392427526916288536.post-43296270923858496842018-05-19T17:50:01.827-07:002018-05-19T17:50:01.827-07:00Hey, I like bards!
Now if you're talking abo...Hey, I like bards! <br /><br />Now if you're talking about spellcasting bards, I guess I do see your point, but I still think they're more interesting than wizards. <br /><br />I have two variants in my current campaign. Skerples' Goliard (https://coinsandscrolls.blogspot.com/2017/12/osr-class-goliards.html), which is linked to his Seduction Side Effects table posted above. I also wrote my own bard, based on Elan from Order of the Stick and this post from Goblin Punch: http://goblinpunch.blogspot.com/2016/01/bardic-services.html<br /><br />Essentially, it's a sort of "Plotbender," focused player-side worldbuilding abilities. They sing about things in the world, and then those things turn out to be true. They also have a light heal, grant-advantage-on-a-check, and a "plot armor": guaranteed success on a d20, once per session. It's a bit meta, but that's my secret weakness and I think it's fun. <br /><br />I have one player of each of those classes in my current campaign. So far, the Goliard has had sex with one guy and one-shotted an orc wight, and the Bard has picked up shrooms in the forest and smoked 'em through a digeridoo. Type 1 Ninjahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12364867668752736931noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-392427526916288536.post-38646344162762452792018-05-19T14:54:18.421-07:002018-05-19T14:54:18.421-07:00Re Jacob's concern: I think that Joseph is lar...Re Jacob's concern: I think that Joseph is largely successful here in the design goal: making a class that would work in a dungeon- or hex-crawl as a member of a party. Its a non-thieving thief, in essence (although one not opposed to thieving, I would assume). IIRC, Aaron Allston tried to do this in Mystara, but all he came up with was removing Pick Pockets and Backstab and replacing with...um...nothing.<br /><br />It also occurs to me that you could absolutely run the Doctor as a Rake who relies heavily on Expensive Education, Hauteur, Raconteur, and Rover. :)Matthew Slepinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04056247825064943944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-392427526916288536.post-23917384590175689842018-05-19T05:56:33.280-07:002018-05-19T05:56:33.280-07:00I would absolutely want one of these in my party, ...I would absolutely want one of these in my party, and would play one, so I think you've landed on some good ideas here.Jonathonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12424548045152722964noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-392427526916288536.post-21204901887806217562018-05-17T22:28:51.686-07:002018-05-17T22:28:51.686-07:00Still a way off, I fear. I have become tied up wit...Still a way off, I fear. I have become tied up with stylites and Pre-Adamite centaurs. And I should like to reread Holmes's The Age of Wonder.Solomon VKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11763252777153908412noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-392427526916288536.post-34336687790895709042018-05-17T15:57:54.785-07:002018-05-17T15:57:54.785-07:00Ah, number 26. How well I know thee...Ah, number 26. How well I know thee...Joseph Manolahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05387275537008858939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-392427526916288536.post-41085006869360595772018-05-17T15:55:27.274-07:002018-05-17T15:55:27.274-07:00It's a legitimate concern. But I've tried ...It's a legitimate concern. But I've tried to write these abilities as things that would be primarily useful as part of a larger plan, in which the whole party could take part - vital contributions, rather than one-man solutions - so I hope the rake would be no worse in this regard than the standard D&D thief already is. In fact, most of the abilities are based on various social gambits that the players in my current game have actually used, so I know from direct experience that they can form part of plans that involve all the PCs, rather than just the one who does the talking...Joseph Manolahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05387275537008858939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-392427526916288536.post-20751812842162953702018-05-17T15:39:59.517-07:002018-05-17T15:39:59.517-07:00I didn't know you were working on an eighteent...I didn't know you were working on an eighteenth-century setting! I'll be interested to see what you do with it...Joseph Manolahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05387275537008858939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-392427526916288536.post-52662945590198809822018-05-17T14:36:45.805-07:002018-05-17T14:36:45.805-07:00What did you have in mind for the Hellfire Club? I...What did you have in mind for the Hellfire Club? I'm not sure that dressing up as a monk and getting drunk in a cave really qualifies as a skill, although I think they did have a pet monkey...<br /><br />I considered gambling but wasn't sure how to translate it into an ability. (It shouldn't be about money, not really: more about gaining influence over people by winning money from them and/or owing money to them.) Likewise I considered a 'get by in high society' talent, but thought it might be too limited to urban adventures. (What's the high society in a dungeon full of goblins?) Maybe the ability to get aristocrats to take you seriously could be rolled into Fop...Joseph Manolahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05387275537008858939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-392427526916288536.post-3260059827841981112018-05-17T12:07:41.271-07:002018-05-17T12:07:41.271-07:00I have reservations about introducing a class with...I have reservations about introducing a class with skills primarily applicable to social scenes into a game where many other classes have skills primarily applicable to action, or even just combat, scenes (not that D&D doesn't already have that problem).<br /><br />I think that to some extent one scene focusing more on one character and the next on another, rather than everyone sharing the spotlight equally all the time, is an actively good thing, but this feels like it might go too far in the direction of enforcing "I stand and watch as you do your thing, and then you stand and watch as I do my thing".Jacobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11292062128781092862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-392427526916288536.post-8270935332866767642018-05-17T11:37:03.623-07:002018-05-17T11:37:03.623-07:00I had a slightly more Falstaffian take on the matt...I had a slightly more Falstaffian take on the matter - older, and certainly less elegant.<br />http://worldbuildingandwoolgathering.blogspot.co.uk/2018/03/a-man-of-world.htmlSolomon VKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11763252777153908412noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-392427526916288536.post-76511120114894512552018-05-17T08:36:58.329-07:002018-05-17T08:36:58.329-07:00The d100 Seduction Side-Effects table seems useful...The d100 Seduction Side-Effects table seems useful here: https://coinsandscrolls.blogspot.com/2017/12/1d100-seduction-side-effects.htmlSkerpleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06393779599461560431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-392427526916288536.post-13002963777454687192018-05-17T07:58:10.147-07:002018-05-17T07:58:10.147-07:00some hellfire club type abilities might be nice
f...some hellfire club type abilities might be nice<br /><br />firearm ability or concealed weapons<br /><br />gambling (Casanova lottery scams)<br /><br />something for fraternizing with the cool set on noblesKonsumterrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18170560484656800416noreply@blogger.com